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Who is your all-time favorite on-screen anti-hero?

Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
entertainment, good, evil, sawyer, faust, thanatos, anti-hero, lecter, kaiser-soze, omar-little
By Jay Keggerlord

Live Poll

Who do you think was the most notorious anti-hero on screen?

View Results
  • 51517
    Omar Little (The Wire)
    12%
  • 51518
    Kaiser Soze (The Usual Suspects)
    24%
  • 51519
    Hanibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
    29%
  • 51520
    Sawyer (Lost)
    6%
  • 51521
    Other (describe below)
    29%

VoteTotal Votes: 17

Sawyer

Hanibal Lecter

Omar Little

Verbal Kint as Kaiser Soze

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For the most part, we have to behave ourselves in polite society. We obey the traffic laws (except for speeding) on the way to work. We hold open the elevator door when we see someone rushing for the door, even when we're running late for a meeting. We buy the Girl Scout cookies out front of the store, even though we're trying to stay on our diet. When our co-worker says something incredibly stupid, we politely nod and try to quickly change the subject.

Given all of these forced niceties we have to endure throughout the day, it's no wonder we need someone we can live vicariously through that breaks societal rules. We need a person that would have cut off that semi and then given them the finger with a devil-may-care smile even as the semi driver blasts their horn. We need that guy who presses the elevator button as the other person is rushing towards the door and allows the door close on them while smirking and giving them a condescending little wave. The Girl Scout would find herself getting haggled like it was a Middle Eastern bazaar and when the co-worker that makes a stupid remark about how Austria started out as a penal colony would have someone their to call them on their idiocy.

Enter the anti-hero. There is something about that person we need to identify with. A person who not only bends the rules, they willfully break them and have a great time doing it. The anti-hero is the persona that gives way to our id, and allows us to delve into a world where we can let loose and not give a damn about the repercussions. Just like the good doctor giving way to the temptations of Mephistopheles, we to need to enjoy a modicum of sin in our thoughts. We want to identify with the likes of Elric of Melnibone, or Bruce Wayne's alter ego, or any one of a dozen other rogues and scoundrels who we can admire, even as we loathe them.

For the most part, the vast majority of us are good people. We might drive a little fast in the morning on the way to work. We might fudge our tax returns slightly. We might harmlessly flirt a little with that cute co-worker, even if we are married. However, at the end of the day, most of us stay on the path of "good" (as your own deontological or teleological viewpoints might define what being good is). Aside from the occasional venal sin, almost all of us would more likely find Dante and Virgil perusing us in Paradise moreso than in Inferno in our afterlife.

So, with this introduction, I have to ask: What character is it that you like to identify with most, and why? Who is your guilty pleasure? When you want to embrace your darker nature without crossing the line to greatly, which anti-hero is it you choose?

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Jay Keggerlord

I'm voting for Omar. There was something about how he was portrayed by (the very talented) Michael Williams that created this sort of gray-line ethics. You could see yourself identifying with his vigilante nature, one that allowed him to be both a scoundrel and yet have a tender soul underneath it. For those of you who have never seen "The Wire", I would say the series is worth watching for this performance alone.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
DaVoH

I'm voting for you Jay, the anti-semetic jew. You're on my screen, so it counts =}

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:26 PM EDT
Jay Keggerlord

LOL, almost forgot that I had that moniker. ;)

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT
DaVoH

Is Keggerlord your real last name? Because if so, that is effing sweet!

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
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nica1829

The Predator - i really like those aliens - they have awesome weapons but also have some integrity (in Predator 2 - he didn't kill the pregnant cop even though she had a weapon)

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
Jay Keggerlord

Didn't see the second one, but that is interesting to see that sort of human ethic being applied to a different species. Very interesting choice!

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:41 AM EDT
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Average_Guy

Gabriel Byrne - playing Satan in the movie "End of Days". Total disregard for life, boundaries, etc.

Not a great movie - but definitely a great acting job on his part.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
Jay Keggerlord

He's an incredbile talent, and I would love to see more of him on the screen. Ironically, I think he would have been the best anti-hero in the Usual Suspects had Kevin Spacey not been there to steal the show.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:43 AM EDT
Jekazu

He's excellent as Dr. Paul Weston in HBO's "In Treatment".

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
Lkessler

Jekazu: "In Treatment" is such a terribly underrated show... I don't miss it no matter what...

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT
Jekazu

I DVR it when they show the entire week's episodes in a row and watch them all in one sitting. :o)

    #3.4 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
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    Scarlet Termite

    Lenny Brisco

      Reply#4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
      Jay Keggerlord

      Easily my favorite character on Law & Order. Definitely was the "tortured soul" type. Hard to say who was more of anti-hero, though, between him and Sam Waterston's character.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT
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      Tyler Durden-330839

      V. Or maybe myself.

        Reply#5 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
        Checkmate-983933

        Lecter for the win. Great movie. Sequel sucked because it didn't have the original female lead from the first one. Anthony Hopkins was perfect for it. If you study psychology/psychiatry and film production courses, this movie was done perfectly, as was his character.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
        Jay Keggerlord

        Did you ever see the movie "Man Hunter"? Technically, this was the first time Dr. Lecter was introduced to the silver screen, although played by the great thespian, Brian Cox (who you would most likely rememeber as the arch-villain Killearn in the movie "Rob Roy". However, Hopkins really did make the character his own, similar to how Heath Ledger took away the "Joker" mantle from Jack Nicholson.

        • 2 votes
        #6.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
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        Lkessler

        I'd have to vote Peter Keating (of Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead") as the ultimate, refined anti-hero--an evil man who sells his talents to the highest bidder, even if it goes against every ounce of instinctual essence he might've possessed. And he is on-screen, played by the amazing Kent Smith, who died in 1985.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
        Jay Keggerlord

        I'll have to add this one to my list of "need to watch".

        • 3 votes
        #7.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
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        Andrew-1162039

        The anti-hero has become rather vogue lately, and there's so many great ones to choose from. On the small screen we have character's like Showtime's Dexter, CBS's Charlie Harper, HBO's Tony Soprano. Even the iconic Seinfeld was in many aspects an anti-hero, spurning social norms and often accepted morality in his daily adventures.

        On the big screen we also have quite a few. From comic book characters you have Frank Castle as the punisher, Spawn, and Wolverine. We have our iconic characters like dirty Harry, Travis Bickle, and lets not forget the Godfather and other mafia type characters. There's Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Cool hand Luke, plus other lovable criminals like the character's of Ocean's 11, The Sting, and Entrapment.

        In short, the anti-hero has in many ways replaced the hero in the cinema. The Golden age of comics and movies ended, and in its place we have gained gritty realism. Adam West as Batman isn't nearly as fun as a tortured Christian Bale, and even children will tell you, sometimes it's more fun to play at the robber than the cop.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#8 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
        Lkessler

        Oh yeah, Dexter is the small screen's ultimate anti-hero. :D

        • 2 votes
        #8.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
        Jay Keggerlord

        I almost had Dexter on the list (as well as Tony Soprano). Both would have been good choices, too! Soprano, especially, characterizes that element of the thin veneer of civility barely covering our most animal-like nature.

        • 2 votes
        #8.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
        Lkessler

        Jay: nah, whom you just described is Dexter... I mean, what man can go out and murder people at night, and the next day analyze the bodies of his victims in a morgue? That's civility masking animalistic horror.

        • 1 vote
        #8.3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT
        Jay Keggerlord

        Having watched both series, I would say Soprano does a better job of being this very visceral and realistic animal. I think Dexter comes off almost cartoonish by comparison. There is something about their motives, too, that give the nod to Tony. Dexter kills out of compulsion while Soprano does it to send a message. Also, Tony is much more brutal in his methods when he wants to send a message, while Dexter simply bleeds his victims out.

        • 2 votes
        #8.4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
        Andrew-1162039

        Speaking of Tony's how about Tony Montana, old Scarface himself. Also in the vein of coke dealking anti-hero's you have Johnny Depp's George Jung in Blow, who is highly sympathetic largely because of his tragic flaws.

        • 1 vote
        #8.5 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
        Jay Keggerlord

        Another good one. Funny how people with drug habits are so easy for people (even those without drug habits) to relate to.

        • 1 vote
        #8.6 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
        Andrew-1162039

        True, the character's of Trainspotting for example, highly flawed, but we're rooting for them the whole time. The heroine of Weeds is another example. Here we have a drug dealer, flagrantly breaking the law, but her role as a single mother makes her very sympathetic. Perhaps more tragic than tragic hero, the three protagonists of Requiem for a Dream, who we root for even as we watch their inevitable spiral down the drain. Another somewhat more obscure drug dealing anti-hero is Elmo McElroy of Formula 51. He may just be selling placebos but he's still making money as a drug dealer and dealing with some pretty unsavory people along the way.

          #8.7 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
          Kshark

          True, the character's of Trainspotting for example, highly flawed, but we're rooting for them the whole time.

          Not Begby and it was absolutely fantastic that Renton screwed him and Sick Boy over in the end, but he felt sorry for Spud. Spud never hurt anyone.

            #8.8 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:08 AM EDT
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            DaVoH

            Easy one, Jack Nicholson in The Shining.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
            Lkessler

            DaVoH: That movie still gives me the creeps!!!

            • 3 votes
            #9.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT
            Jay Keggerlord

            Damn! How could I have forgotten him? :)

            He and a few other "seduced by evil" characters would have been great additions. Faust, whom I referenced earlier, or Dr. Baltar on the new Battlestar Gallactica series, or even the Viscount de Valmont in "Les Liasions Dangerous". Good add, D!

            • 2 votes
            #9.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT
            Ludwigc

            Dr. Baltar - there's a good one. I think we all have more Baltar in us than we'd like to admit!

            • 2 votes
            #9.3 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
            Jay Keggerlord

            That's probably true, Ludwig. I think he creates a sympathetic character for that very reason.

            • 1 vote
            #9.4 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
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            Ludwigc

            Here's my list:

            1. Tyler Durden - Fight Club
            2. Jules - Pulp Fiction
            3. Clint Eastwood - In many movies, Unforgiven being my fav.
            4. Eric Cartman - Southpark
            5. Mickey & Mallory Knox - Natural Born Killers

            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
            Ludwigc

            Oh and how could I forget: Vic Mackey - The Shield

            • 2 votes
            Reply#11 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT
            Jay Keggerlord

            Oh man, this is almost the perfect one! How could I have forgotten Vic?

            • 3 votes
            #11.1 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT
            DaVoH

            Yeah, he's bad ass, loved The Shield

            • 2 votes
            #11.2 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
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            tomwcraig

            My favorite anti-hero is Edmund Dantes as portrayed by Richard Chamberlain. Second is a toss-up between Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader in the Star Wars movies.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT
            DaVoH

            !!!!!!supernerdalert!!!!!!

              #12.1 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT
              Lkessler

              hey DaVoH... us supernerds are proud of it! =)

              • 1 vote
              #12.2 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT
              tomwcraig

              DaVoH,

              And your point is?

              • 1 vote
              #12.3 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
              tomwcraig

              Let me explain my reasoning behind Senator/Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious as one of my second place choices (chronological order not on movie releases but movie timeline):

              1) He is a "good" guy, when we first see him.

              2) He is really an evil guy, pretending to be a good guy.

              3) He uses the good guys to get what he wanted.

              4) He "wins" until betrayed and killed by his apprentice.

              Now, my reasoning for Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader:

              1) He is a good guy filled with confusion

              2) He falls into evil by his desire to do good and save people

              3) He redeems himself in the end by betraying and destroying the person responsible for his corruption.

              • 1 vote
              #12.4 - Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
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              firsty

              it's probably cheating to suggest depp's hunter thompson, or rourke's bukowski.

              michael corleone, to me (forget godfather III), the perfectly formed anti-hero.

              colonel kurtz is another that springs to mind. or what about the mother in "wild at heart"? yikes. you root against everything her tortured madness conceives of, but you still root for the madness.

              but at the end of it all, i may have to go with ludwigc's suggestion: cartman.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#13 - Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT
              Kshark

              I'd say #1 is Hannibal Lecter. AWESOME.

              I would also say Jigsaw from the SAW movies. It is hard to call him a villain, he didn't kill anyone personally he wanted to teach them a moral lesson. Twisted.

              I really should rent the Wire series to watch it as it is filmed in my home city of Baltimore and I LOVED Homicide Life on The Streets, but I cannot think of any long standing anti-heroes on that show.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:04 AM EDT
              curious blond

              matt damon as Loki in dogma :)

              • 2 votes
              Reply#15 - Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
              Kshark

              *laugh* Though Ben Affleck turned out to be the real demonic archangel. *laughing*

              That movie was just too damn funny. *laughing*

              The Mooby Golden Calf Conference room scene hilarious, I think that was my favorite scene.

              Bartleby: You are responsible for raising an icon which draws worship from the Lord. You have broken the first commandment. Not only that, I'm afraid not a one of you passes for a decent human being. Your continued existence is a mockery of morality. Like you, Mr. Burton. Last year cheated on your wife of 17 years 8 times. You even had sex with her best friend while you were supposed to be home watching the kids.
              Loki: In the bed that you and your wife share, no less.
              Bartleby: Mr. Newman - you got your girlfriend drunk at last year's Christmas party and then paid a kid from the mail room to have sex with her while she was passed out, just so you could break up with her guilt-free when she sobbingly confessed in the morning. She killed herself two months later. Mr. Brace disowned his gay son. Very compassionate, Mr. Brace. Mr. Ray put his mother in a third-rate nursing home and then used the profits from the sale of her home to buy an oriental rug for himself. Heavens. Mr. Barker flew to Thailand on the company account to have sex with an eleven year old boy. Mr. Holtzman okayed the production of Mooby Dolls from materials he knew to be toxic and unsafe, because it was - survey says? - less costly.
              [sees the female board member]
              Bartleby: You, on the other hand, are an innocent. You lead a good life. Good for you. But you, Mr. Whitland, you have more skeletons in your closet than the rest of this assembled party. I cannot even mention them aloud.
              [whispers something in Whitland's ear]
              Loki: You're his father, you sick @!$%#.
              [Whitland starts crying]

                #15.1 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 10:14 AM EDT
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                Kshark

                *laughing hard*

                One I had not thought of though oddly enough just popped right into my brain at this second

                Patsy Stone from the hilarious British show Absolutely Fabulous.

                Well we could almost include Edina Monsoon.

                Patsy selling Saffron, the daughter, in Morocco into slavery for 2000 dirham

                  Reply#16 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT
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